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under current law the deficit will shrink in 2013. as an estimated $845 billion, the deficit, the first in five years below $1 trillion. >> the cbo projects deficits to decline from $845 billion to year to as low as 430 billion in 2015 but then 978 billion a year by 2023. >> in 2014 or 15 the deficit will come down. there's a tax increase we just passed. that combines to produce a smaller deficit. >> though the president has not submitted his budget, the cbo projects the next ten years u.s. debt will increase $10 trillion from a little more than 16 trillion-dollar now to more than $26 trillion in 2023. >> you can't raise enough tax to say pay for this problem. you won't grow fast enough to get rid of this problem. you ultimately have to deal with spending. >> after 2023, the debt begins to soar. >> after that it's going to grow and reach the trillion and go beyond the trillion. so at no point in the foreseeable future is the deficit going to come down to manageable level. >> noting repeatedly high debts are bad and dangerous as he put
under current law the deficit will shrink in 2013. as an estimated $845 billion, the deficit, the first in five years below $1 trillion. >> the cbo projects deficits to decline from $845 billion to year to as low as 430 billion in 2015 but then 978 billion a year by 2023. >> in 2014 or 15 the deficit will come down. there's a tax increase we just passed. that combines to produce a smaller deficit. >> though the president has not submitted his budget, the cbo projects the next...
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now, at some point we're going to have to begin reducing the deficit. when we do, the economy will be weak. that will make the deficit challenge even greater. it's a negative feedback loop. right now when all these democrats say, look, mr. market is saying go ahead, borrow, we don't square. that is not a really market. that's the echols building. that's one side of washington telling the other side, don't worry, i'm buying all the bonds. now, if you think this kind of ponzi finance is anything to do with capitalism or free markets or anything to do with sustainability, then you've read an economic textbook that didn't even exist in 1995. dagen: david, thank you so much. david stockman, i know it's like facelift. like the first few you get it kind of hides your age, but eventually you're going to look, well, 8 6. connell: hasn't thought of it that way, but as always, you bring up a unique perspective. dagen: what? i'm really 75. connell: well, you look great. the ftc is pressing for new guidelines on the mobile industry. dagen: and if your worried you --
now, at some point we're going to have to begin reducing the deficit. when we do, the economy will be weak. that will make the deficit challenge even greater. it's a negative feedback loop. right now when all these democrats say, look, mr. market is saying go ahead, borrow, we don't square. that is not a really market. that's the echols building. that's one side of washington telling the other side, don't worry, i'm buying all the bonds. now, if you think this kind of ponzi finance is anything...
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we would replace that sequester with deficit reduction achieved over a longer time. >> you, in suburban maryland, represent a lot of people that would be directly affected if the sequester hits. do you think the administration is doing a good job of preparing federal workers and folks whose paychecks depend on what happens in the next few weeks for how it will work and how to plan their lives? >> we have been urging them to provide guidance to federal employees because as we get closer to the date there is more and more anxiety, understandably. they are trying to provide notice to employees about things that can be expected, but the problem is it affect each agency differently, so there is not one rule of thumb that will apply to every federal agency. part of the impact will depend on the extent to which employees make up most of the budget, as opposed to agencies that have more of a procurement budget or their budget is contracted out. i should emphasize that while it will hit federal employees and that is not good for anyone, that will hurt -- it will hurt around the country. let's ta
we would replace that sequester with deficit reduction achieved over a longer time. >> you, in suburban maryland, represent a lot of people that would be directly affected if the sequester hits. do you think the administration is doing a good job of preparing federal workers and folks whose paychecks depend on what happens in the next few weeks for how it will work and how to plan their lives? >> we have been urging them to provide guidance to federal employees because as we get...
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and it's estimated to reduce the deficit by $3.3 trillion. remember, we're trying to hit $4 trillion. so we're getting closer. the plan ends tax loopholes for yachts and for jets. it reduces the corporate meal and entertainment deduction to 25%. you can't write off the whole dinner anymore. it ends fossil fuel subsidies for oil companies that are raking in massive profits. exxonmobil, you know what their profit was? $44 billion in 2012. the last thing they need right now is your tax dollars as subsidy. the balancing act also closes other pointless loopholes the rich take advantage of. we should point out mitt romney ran on a similar tax plan. his former running mate paul ryan should love the balancing act because it reduces the deficit. everyone inside the beltway considers mr. ryan just a very serious person. but here is how paul ryan wants to reduce the deficit, with nothing but cuts. and here is the balanced approach from the progressive caucus. you know, when we need budget advice in the future, i think we should kind of push paul ryan of
and it's estimated to reduce the deficit by $3.3 trillion. remember, we're trying to hit $4 trillion. so we're getting closer. the plan ends tax loopholes for yachts and for jets. it reduces the corporate meal and entertainment deduction to 25%. you can't write off the whole dinner anymore. it ends fossil fuel subsidies for oil companies that are raking in massive profits. exxonmobil, you know what their profit was? $44 billion in 2012. the last thing they need right now is your tax dollars as...
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you've been worried about the deficit. what do you say to this argument that trying to reduce the deficits in europe has been a disaster? it's slowed growth, slowed tax reeve news and increased the deficit? >> let me just say i am not in favor of reducing the deficit now. the short term i am not in favor of reducing the deficit. but i do think there have to be some longer-term plans that give the financial markets some degree of confidence that we're not just going to blow apart. i think this is something on the longer term which is what bowles-simpson was all about, something which i favored totally. so i think that was a combination of including longer-term control over some of our big expenditures, particularly in health care. and that is something we have to do. i think the president could get some things if, in fact, he addressed some of these longer term issues but he walked away from that and there's no confidence that he really cares about it. >> let's talk about common -- noneconomic things. i would have thought y
you've been worried about the deficit. what do you say to this argument that trying to reduce the deficits in europe has been a disaster? it's slowed growth, slowed tax reeve news and increased the deficit? >> let me just say i am not in favor of reducing the deficit now. the short term i am not in favor of reducing the deficit. but i do think there have to be some longer-term plans that give the financial markets some degree of confidence that we're not just going to blow apart. i think...
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it's-- we are facing a situation with these deficits that in three or four more years, the deficit's going to be down to 600 or 700 billion dollars a year which is an enormous amount of money and then we're going to have another recession and it's going to go up to 1.5 or even more trillion dollars and we're not going to be able to deal with it and if we have inflation which we're going to have at some point we won't be able to pay the debt service. and now it's in the long run we'll be dead with his policies and that's where we are now, we've got to deal with the long run and forget about the short-term. >> brenda: and john, that's actually only one more quarter of negative gdp we'll be in recession? >> sorry about that. >> all cuts are good as far as i'm concerned, but a meat ax is a little bit of exaggeration, this is more like a butter knife that these cuts are so small, there's nothing there and he what i would like to see is the government take more of a private sector approach, like a businessman and say, let's evaluate what we have 'cause many of these government programs ove
it's-- we are facing a situation with these deficits that in three or four more years, the deficit's going to be down to 600 or 700 billion dollars a year which is an enormous amount of money and then we're going to have another recession and it's going to go up to 1.5 or even more trillion dollars and we're not going to be able to deal with it and if we have inflation which we're going to have at some point we won't be able to pay the debt service. and now it's in the long run we'll be dead...
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his party, focusing on issues like education and health care and spend less time talking about the deficit. >> really? oh, yes. eric cantor to the rescue. he is ready to save the republican image and put a stop to the electoral college losses, right? of course, this is not the first time eric cantor has tried to save the party. you see, it actually is the fourth attempt that he has had. in 2009, cantor held a pizza party, remember that? with jeb bush and mitt romney by launching the national council for a new america that didn't work. a year later, cantor was back at it. he was one of the young guns ready to take the republican party by storm. >> there is a better way, and a new team is ready to bring america back. eric cantor, kevin mccarthy, paul ryan joined by common-sense conservative candidates from across the country. together, they are ready to make history. together they are the young guns. >> the good old days. in 2011, cantor launched the you cut program. he wanted to get the public to vote on weekly cuts to federal government. another year, another failure. so today cantor launc
his party, focusing on issues like education and health care and spend less time talking about the deficit. >> really? oh, yes. eric cantor to the rescue. he is ready to save the republican image and put a stop to the electoral college losses, right? of course, this is not the first time eric cantor has tried to save the party. you see, it actually is the fourth attempt that he has had. in 2009, cantor held a pizza party, remember that? with jeb bush and mitt romney by launching the...
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the second thing slightly more technical but the best way to think about it, you can run deficits as long as your economy is growing, you can run deficits as long as what you are spending it on on average has a positive return. so what's the debt to gdp ratio that makes sense is the one that is stable. that at a given level of growth it's not going to keep growing explosively. imagine you have a rotating credit card account. it's probably not the best idea to always be paying interest on $10,000 but on the other hand if it is an auto loan, a student loan, a fixed amount, and nobody is charging you extortion at interest, you can carry that you just don't buy three cars, you just don't keep going to school. so essentially that's the answer. and we have people at our institute, peterson institute, like a man named bill klein who have done calculation on this for the u.s. you can probably stabilize it somewhere in the 80s. might be better if we are in the 70s but can stabilize in the 80s. >> rose: that is what we are looking to do from the near term, to stabilize. >> so it is not growing
the second thing slightly more technical but the best way to think about it, you can run deficits as long as your economy is growing, you can run deficits as long as what you are spending it on on average has a positive return. so what's the debt to gdp ratio that makes sense is the one that is stable. that at a given level of growth it's not going to keep growing explosively. imagine you have a rotating credit card account. it's probably not the best idea to always be paying interest on...
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it's-- we are facing a situation with these deficits that in three or four more years, the deficit's going to be down to 600 or 700 billion dollars a year which is an enormous amount of money and then we're going to have another recession and it's going to go up to 1.5 or even more trillion dollars and we're not going to be able to deal with it and if we have inflation which we're going to have at some point we won't be able to pay the debt service. and now it's in the long run we'll be dead with his policies and that's where we are now, we've got to deal with the long run and forget about the short-term. >> brenda: and john, that's actually only one more quarter of negative gdp we'll be in recession? >> sorry about that. >> all cuts are good as far as i'm concerned, but a meat ax is a little bit of exaggeration, this is more like a butter knife that these cuts are so small, there's nothing there and he what i would like to see is the government take more of a private sector approach, like a businessman and say, let's evaluate what we have 'cause many of these government programs ove
it's-- we are facing a situation with these deficits that in three or four more years, the deficit's going to be down to 600 or 700 billion dollars a year which is an enormous amount of money and then we're going to have another recession and it's going to go up to 1.5 or even more trillion dollars and we're not going to be able to deal with it and if we have inflation which we're going to have at some point we won't be able to pay the debt service. and now it's in the long run we'll be dead...
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that is how we will reduce our deficit. that is america built to last. [laughter] -- [applause] i recognize that people watching tonight have differing views about taxes and debt and energy and health care. no matter what party they belong to, i bet most americans are thinking the same thing right about now -- nothing will get done in washington this year. or next year. or the year after that, because washington is broken. can you blame them for feeling all little bit cynical? the greatest blow to our confidence in our economy last year did not come from event beyond our control. it came from a debate in washington over whether the united states would pay its bills or not. who benefited from that fiasco? i talked tonight about the deficit of trust between main street and wall street. but the divide between the city and the rest of the country is at least as bad, and it seems to get worse every year. host: from january of last -- of last year, the president in his state of the union address. some of the same themes it will continue this week. -- will cont
that is how we will reduce our deficit. that is america built to last. [laughter] -- [applause] i recognize that people watching tonight have differing views about taxes and debt and energy and health care. no matter what party they belong to, i bet most americans are thinking the same thing right about now -- nothing will get done in washington this year. or next year. or the year after that, because washington is broken. can you blame them for feeling all little bit cynical? the greatest blow...
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the great deficit in this country is the investment deficit, the investment in people and infrastructure. there were attempts to revive it. it was a super committee proposal. i think it is a good thing the super committee failed to reach an agreement. we will see where that goes. it was not a fair deal. there was so little revenue and so much padding. -- so much cutting. someone was writing the other day that the anti-tax mania is at an all-time low. reagan was willing to raise taxes. it shows how extreme. someone said the of the grover norquist may be the most powerful person in america. the new pledge he has held canada is to. he has held candidates -- the new pledge he has held the new candidates to is keeping millions -- it has a role to play in a country rich in the land grant colleges, highways, bridges. i understand the bridge out here is about to be built. i am all for infrastructure. >> obama in a way has to be the luckiest politician. if you look at the republican lineup -- [laughter] it is like michael dukakis in an oversized tank hat. >> the idea that newt gingrich is now at
the great deficit in this country is the investment deficit, the investment in people and infrastructure. there were attempts to revive it. it was a super committee proposal. i think it is a good thing the super committee failed to reach an agreement. we will see where that goes. it was not a fair deal. there was so little revenue and so much padding. -- so much cutting. someone was writing the other day that the anti-tax mania is at an all-time low. reagan was willing to raise taxes. it shows...
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he wants to do some long-term spending reduction on the de deficit. republicans say don't trust him. i don't think republicans will be swayed by the cbo report. they have what they see as a mandate from voters, cut spending. >> let me bring in congressman john yarmuth. what would you like to see? >> i think some of the spending you mentioned could be very youthful. some of the farm subsidies that are unjustified. i'd like to consider a securities transaction pack, the so called wall street packs that can raise tens of billions of dollars. and we can do some cutting, but in that cbo report that you mentioned, it also said that the kind of austerity program which the sequester would represent would be damaging to the recovery, would hurt gdp, and, of course, that's in line with what most economists believe. i think we've got to be very careful when we just say we've got a cut, without regard to the impact of those cuts, both on the economy and on some very important programs. >> you know what the republicans' answer to that is. they say one of the conce
he wants to do some long-term spending reduction on the de deficit. republicans say don't trust him. i don't think republicans will be swayed by the cbo report. they have what they see as a mandate from voters, cut spending. >> let me bring in congressman john yarmuth. what would you like to see? >> i think some of the spending you mentioned could be very youthful. some of the farm subsidies that are unjustified. i'd like to consider a securities transaction pack, the so called wall...
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the deficit goes back up even though we saw it go slightly down. they're calling this the sandwich generation, the people in the middle getting squeezed by taking care of their older parents that can't retire early and taking care of kids. youth unemployment at 11.5. >> more of the middle class becoming the working poor at this point. and the problem is, you can't ask the guy a question. he makes an announcement. you can't ask him a question to get meaningful discussion to hear the other side. when you have the chance, and he was able to have control to put something through, what did he do? we're still hearing blame it on bush. that's old. >> also tax hikes. we'll have the highest spending and highest government spending and highest tax rates. i'm not sure who is can connecte dots to create jobs. >> can i say something? the new normal is the old miserable. the carter era with bandwidth. does he care about the fracturing. the harder american life gets the more he can change it. when we take the bus instead of drive that's progress. he sees shrinkag
the deficit goes back up even though we saw it go slightly down. they're calling this the sandwich generation, the people in the middle getting squeezed by taking care of their older parents that can't retire early and taking care of kids. youth unemployment at 11.5. >> more of the middle class becoming the working poor at this point. and the problem is, you can't ask the guy a question. he makes an announcement. you can't ask him a question to get meaningful discussion to hear the other...
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we believe there is a better way to reduce the deficit but americans do not support sacrificing real spending cuts for more tax hikes." >>> efforts by the white house to head off spending cuts come as a new government report predicts the budget deficit will drop below $1 trillion for the first time during obama's presidency. the congressional budget office which assumes that the cuts will go into effect march 1st says the government will run a deficit of $845 billion this year. that's compared to $1.1 trillion short fall. the outlook predicts the improvements will not last. it warns that an aging population will drive up retirement spending and rising interest rates will put the debt at unsustainable level it's current laws remain in place, debt by 2023 will equal 77% of gross domestic product. that is roughly double the 39% average seen over the past 40 years. >>> coming off the republicans' bruising defeat, eric cantor is looking to rebrand his party n a speech at a d.c. think tank, he moved away from his combative tone expressing a need to work on issues with president obama impor
we believe there is a better way to reduce the deficit but americans do not support sacrificing real spending cuts for more tax hikes." >>> efforts by the white house to head off spending cuts come as a new government report predicts the budget deficit will drop below $1 trillion for the first time during obama's presidency. the congressional budget office which assumes that the cuts will go into effect march 1st says the government will run a deficit of $845 billion this year....
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we have a budget deficit problem we have to address. right now we have low interest on the national debt, and it's a googood time for us to act to loather deficit. we think the deficit and the national debt are at a moral level. we think they must be reduced. we're sick and tired of paying interest on the national debt. that's 15%. that's a large percentage of the budget. >> joining us now is the anchor of "fox news sunday" chris wallace. good morning, chris. >> how are you, eric? >> eric: we heard her say that the national debt is at immoral levels. how do we fix it? what would you say? >> well, the pressure the president -- expression the president used a lot during the campaign, and you know what that means. i suspect it's very different than the republicans, but also yes, tax increases and spending cuts. no more raising of rates but there's a lot that can be done in taking away loopholes, dehe duckses on the wealthy, do away with the subsidies to the oil companies, the buffett role that anybody who makes more than a million dollars
we have a budget deficit problem we have to address. right now we have low interest on the national debt, and it's a googood time for us to act to loather deficit. we think the deficit and the national debt are at a moral level. we think they must be reduced. we're sick and tired of paying interest on the national debt. that's 15%. that's a large percentage of the budget. >> joining us now is the anchor of "fox news sunday" chris wallace. good morning, chris. >> how are...
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the symbolic vote he detail how he would cut the deficit to avoid the automatic spending cuts next month. >> mr. president, you missed the deadline again. let's see your plan. let's show it to the american people and have the discussion about the proper way to manage down this debt and deficit. >> reporter: without a budget deal on march 1st so-called sequestration will force reductions in military training, cutbacks in operations, and layoffs of civilian pentagon employees plus civilian defense contractors. >> it's an idiotic management nightmare to try to run a complex sophisticated, long-term program when you have short-term, massive cuts. >> reporter: deep cuts also loom in social services. outgoing defense secretary panetta slammed democrats and republicans for their game of chicken. >> let's see how bad it can get in order to have the other party blink. >> reporter: some senate republicans today said push the deadline back seven months. but house speaker john boehner said in effect he will not blink. >> at some point, washington has to deal with its spending problem. i've watched t
the symbolic vote he detail how he would cut the deficit to avoid the automatic spending cuts next month. >> mr. president, you missed the deadline again. let's see your plan. let's show it to the american people and have the discussion about the proper way to manage down this debt and deficit. >> reporter: without a budget deal on march 1st so-called sequestration will force reductions in military training, cutbacks in operations, and layoffs of civilian pentagon employees plus...
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it is easy for the public to focus on the debt and deficit and what is going on in washington. there is still some growth out there. the housing sector is coming back. the auto sector is coming back. those are positives that get completely put back to the forefront when everyone is talking about the debt. host: tom, elkhart, indiana. on our democrat line. caller: elkhart is the recreational vehicle capital. we went down on that in 2007 when the oil prices went up. we are manufacturing housing. we are the musical manufacturing capital. for band and treatments and such. they are made here anymore. are headquartered here, but the work is not here. i do not see how this works. host: were you at the president 's speech in 2009? what did you think when the president came to town? caller: it was helpful. he is doing what he can. he has faced a lot of resistance. it is postindustrial. i am working in michigan four eight federally subsidized wheelchair van. mostly my passengers are senior citizens and disabled people. the 47% that romney talked about. host: we will move on to charles, a
it is easy for the public to focus on the debt and deficit and what is going on in washington. there is still some growth out there. the housing sector is coming back. the auto sector is coming back. those are positives that get completely put back to the forefront when everyone is talking about the debt. host: tom, elkhart, indiana. on our democrat line. caller: elkhart is the recreational vehicle capital. we went down on that in 2007 when the oil prices went up. we are manufacturing housing....
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we need to reduce our deficit and begin paying down our debt. but irresponsible across-the-board sequestration cuts are not the way to do it. i yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. for what purpose does the gentleman from michigan seek recognition? without objection, the gentleman is recognized for one minute. >> mr. speaker, america's manufacturing sector has played an invaluable role over the last century in propelling our economy and creating a strong and vibrant middle class. manufacturing continues to be a bright spot in our economic recovery. since 2010, the u.s. has added over a half a million manufacturing jobs. mr. kildee: that's progress. but in a time where millions of americans continue to struggle, we can and must do more. congress should be working every day to rebuild our economy and create good-paying jobs right here in america not overseas. that's why i support the make it in america agenda, which will strengthen manufacturing and rebuild our infrastructure. it will also m
we need to reduce our deficit and begin paying down our debt. but irresponsible across-the-board sequestration cuts are not the way to do it. i yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. for what purpose does the gentleman from michigan seek recognition? without objection, the gentleman is recognized for one minute. >> mr. speaker, america's manufacturing sector has played an invaluable role over the last century in propelling our economy...
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the deficit problem is the problem for later in this decade. the jobs problem is the problem today. and this talk of a contracti contractionary fiscal position. it is hurting the economy. >> he wantive harris? >> in the end, we've got to get our deficit under control while we grow the private sector economy. we can't do it through new taxation. you can't tax your way out of this mess. that's the problem. the president has decided that's the approach he's going to take. the republicans have a different approach. we believe we have to rein in entitlement spending, the budgets up until now. again across the aisle and on the other side, they're unwilling to handle. >> we'll leave it there. thank you. >> let you both get back to work. thanks for joining us. >> thank you. >> appreciate your time. thanks very much. isn't it nice to know in two weeks you haven't missed anything? >> this sounds familiar. >> 40 minutes before the closing bell sounds. dow down 103 points. >>> google getting downgraded after a record high on friday when we allegedly hit 14,000. why did that happen? and are you
the deficit problem is the problem for later in this decade. the jobs problem is the problem today. and this talk of a contracti contractionary fiscal position. it is hurting the economy. >> he wantive harris? >> in the end, we've got to get our deficit under control while we grow the private sector economy. we can't do it through new taxation. you can't tax your way out of this mess. that's the problem. the president has decided that's the approach he's going to take. the...
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not only have they failed to come together around a big plan to reduce the deficit. they have also failed in their basic responsibility to pass appropriations bills. how we fund the government each year. we are operating today, continuing resolution on appropriations, because they failed to pass appropriations bills. the last time that congress passed all the appropriations bills and timeless 1994. it was in 1994. that is a basic responsibility. to be able to fund the government. my fear is that there is a dangerous and callous attitude that is developing among some republicans and some democrats. that these danhat these dangeroe allowed to take place in order to blame the other party or the consequences. this is a kind of so what attitude. it says let's see how bad it can get. in order to have the other party blink. i have seen that attitude before. it was the same attitude that led to a government shutdown in 1995. the same attitude. the other side will blink. even though it will hurt people. even if it's going to hurt our citizens or our security. this is a good w
not only have they failed to come together around a big plan to reduce the deficit. they have also failed in their basic responsibility to pass appropriations bills. how we fund the government each year. we are operating today, continuing resolution on appropriations, because they failed to pass appropriations bills. the last time that congress passed all the appropriations bills and timeless 1994. it was in 1994. that is a basic responsibility. to be able to fund the government. my fear is...
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[applause] if you look at what is happening here, it is true that the deficit are going to be below $1 trillion for the first time in several years. and it is true that the new revenues raised in spending that you did not do. it is true that the economy is beginning to grow again. but this is almost like the reverse of what we did in 1993. that is, i was prickly well aware if we raise taxes and cut spending, it could have a dragging effect in the economy. but not nearly as much as spending 40% of the budget paying interest on the debt. not nearly as much as having low growth. at nearly as much as having interest rates that were too high. so our gamble was that the explosive the fact of lowering interest rates, with a booming bond market and having more disposable income over a 5 =-10 year period would more than offset putting the hammer down by raising more money and cutting spending. it turned out to be a good gamble, but it made sense. it will make sense here again. but timing is everything. and so, i think he should have a budget that does not defy our arithmetic but also, and doesn
[applause] if you look at what is happening here, it is true that the deficit are going to be below $1 trillion for the first time in several years. and it is true that the new revenues raised in spending that you did not do. it is true that the economy is beginning to grow again. but this is almost like the reverse of what we did in 1993. that is, i was prickly well aware if we raise taxes and cut spending, it could have a dragging effect in the economy. but not nearly as much as spending 40%...